Inspired by Jai's question regarding the shortest path to happiness.

Edit for clarity: The question says path OF happiness; it does not say path TO happiness.

asked 04 Apr '13, 11:19

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5 thinking and asking this type of questions while not being happy where you are. And simply by arguing (with somebody or yourself) and worrying in general about things and not doing something that would be more fun instead. Because happiness is in the now moment. A long string of happy now moments makes a happy life :). A long string of worried(feared, hated...) now moments makes an unhappy life.:)

(04 Apr '13, 11:45) releaser99

I think you missed the point. I'm asking about how to find a path of happiness, not a path of unhappiness. Also, if you answer "follow your excitement" I'll have to report you for copyright infringement.

(04 Apr '13, 11:53) flowsurfer

@releaser99 What do you mean by "life"? How can you have a happy or unhappy life if happiness is in the "now moment"? You know that the meaning and therefore emotion attached to an experience changes. It doesn't matter how things felt in the past, only how you feel about them now. Speaking like that implies you can somehow "bank" happiness. You can practice happiness but can't really "bank" it.

(04 Apr '13, 11:58) flowsurfer

@releaser99 Or can you...? Hum... BUT! That means you can also "bank" unhappiness. Is that why people have depression, because their investment portfolio is too heavily dominated by unhappiness so they keep getting a constant stream of unhappiness dividends?

(04 Apr '13, 12:06) flowsurfer

Oh! And since our "life" is basically our "memory"... does that mean that in order to sell our unhappiness stock and trade it in for happiness stock (to get more happiness dividends) we have to go and change our memory of the past? At least forget (sell) the bad stuff! So we have money money (free attention) with which to buy brand new IPO happiness. Hum...

(04 Apr '13, 12:13) flowsurfer

I had added this comment then I deleted it,but I feel it belongs here......"The longest path to happiness" Remain right where you are,In EGO....Love and Light

(04 Apr '13, 12:25) Roy

There is no such thing as a stupid question,but this is coming very close.I guess I have some work to do on my.... SELF

(04 Apr '13, 12:28) Roy

@Roy Re-read the question. It says path OF happiness, not path TO happiness. I don't believe the ego is an enemy to happiness, at all. In fact I doubt happiness is even possible without an ego.

(04 Apr '13, 13:18) flowsurfer

Yes I read it,not so much a question,more like looking for a reaction.Thats why my comment about working on my Self.

(04 Apr '13, 13:27) Roy

using only intellect to find it

(04 Apr '13, 18:34) fred

@Roy aren't reflections crazy? When I have a reaction such as yours with another user, it gives me much food for thought.

(04 Apr '13, 19:56) ele

I have not stopped thinking about my comments all day.Just when I "thought" my closet was looking sweet.

(04 Apr '13, 20:03) Roy

@Roy lol! Tis Spring & time to clean closets & shine mirrors. Your particular mirror isn't still water either. As you know a mirror cannot cast a reflection w/o YOUR light. Here's to illumination...

(04 Apr '13, 20:38) ele

Running around looking for a new bulb isnt all its cracked up to be.Thanks ele. Love and Light

(04 Apr '13, 21:03) Roy

You are welcome @Roy Love, Light & Laughter.

(04 Apr '13, 23:37) ele

Thank you flowsurfer for the message you gave to me.We agreed long ago to help each other grow.I feel it in my shoulders.This weight I choose to let go.The love in my heart will continue to grow.Peace

(05 Apr '13, 08:48) Roy

just an observation; this has certainly got the juice flowing, the sign of a great question :)

(05 Apr '13, 08:59) ru bis

Yes it has,but in a way I didnt expect.

(05 Apr '13, 09:04) Roy

@Roy could you be more explicit ?

(05 Apr '13, 09:07) ru bis

This question was the second message I received yesterday.I reacted to both of them in much the same fashion.The work I have been doing lately would have me "respond" from a place of being totally neutral.I sat with this all day and most of the night.I wanted to "shoot" the messenger instead of being thankful and embracing the messenger for their brilliant selves.

(05 Apr '13, 09:22) Roy

@Roy so it was you "shooting", i got hit by the rebound and felt the explosion ok lol, by the way thanks

(05 Apr '13, 09:26) ru bis

I have no idea why anyone would find this question "stupid" or in any way offensive. The shortest, simplest path to happiness is called Ecstasy, or whatever combination of drugs you like best.

(05 Apr '13, 18:58) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer and if one isn't into drugs ?

(05 Apr '13, 20:03) Starlight

@Roy "This weight I choose to let go.The love in my heart will continue to grow" I concur, beautiful, brilliant & illuminating. There is nothing you can do right now - surrender - release the resistance.

(05 Apr '13, 20:05) ele

@flowsurfer haha you don't do drugs!

(05 Apr '13, 20:05) ele

@Starlight Trying to get into drugs won't work, you have to get the drugs into you. That is probably your error, not knowing how to properly use them. @ele I do caffeine and aspartame. Don't tell the cops! Back to Starlight, if you are not into drugs, you are not into the shortest, simplest path to happiness, or into being as happy as possible in the moment, because that is what drugs do, they make you deliriously happy (depending on what you use that is) for no good reason.

(05 Apr '13, 20:31) flowsurfer

@Starlight The ONLY reason drugs have a bad reputation is because you are not supposed to feel good for no good reason. And the question is inspired by that, I am not interested in blissfully sitting on a couch or whatever other sort of drug based experience, I want to feel happy in a creative, lucid way. The only drugs I am interested in are drugs that help me do that.

(05 Apr '13, 20:34) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer caffeine is good - aspartame is bad; use only in moderation. I live in the MON, & drugs illegal or by rx are everywhere. How is it you've never been exposed to any & earlier you said you absolutely had no way to find any. Not advocating mind you, just a question.

(05 Apr '13, 21:22) ele

@ele The "MON"? Oh, I get it, Middle Of Nowhere.

(05 Apr '13, 21:29) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer lol! Middle of Nowhere = MON

(05 Apr '13, 21:52) ele

@flowsurfer , I have zero interest in putting sink cleaner or any other thing Rx or not into my system, I have too much respect for my body . Friends and friends of , use various substances and it ain't pretty , either their attitudes or their outward appearance, nor what they need to do to get the finance to pay for , so I'll pass thanks all the same

(05 Apr '13, 22:55) Starlight

With reference to "the only reason " I believe like in the days of prohibition , if you make something illegal , it creates a "lack market " and guess what , a Money Generator. Even Rx are stolen from age care , hospitals etc , it's all an industry , police , dealers , users , clinics to fix up "broken people and on and on

(05 Apr '13, 23:04) Starlight

"If someone isn't intro drugs": Ever heard the phrase 'high on life'? Our body is capable of reproducing effects we get from man-made substances, generally FAR more effectively than the scientific equivalents are capable of yet. Example: Stimulants can let a person operate beyond their body's normal limits, such as working with an injury. Adrenaline allows 'normal' (if there were such a thing) people to lift cars. Our pituitary gland can produce one of the strongest naturally occurring ...

(01 May '13, 12:40) Snow

... Hallucinogens we are aware of, DMT. Happiness is a bit trickier I guess, but I imagine we could theoretically activate the dopamine or endorphine enzymes (excuse my ignorance, whichever are responsible for euphoria) and be unconditionally happy without substances.

I also agree with flow's assessment that the only reason people have qualms with drugs is they don't like the idea of being happy with no reason, even though that is exactly what we 'should' be.

(01 May '13, 12:43) Snow
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The longest most elaborate path to happiness?

No offense old fella but youve already cracked the answer to that one all by yourself.

Youve found it!!

Well done


answered 05 Apr '13, 11:24

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yes this @flowsurfer guy is a real deep thinker, he hides his game well :)

(05 Apr '13, 11:47) ru bis

I agree with ru bis, I think flow is one of the most interesting people on this forum & the player to watch.

(05 Apr '13, 20:25) ele

By living in the Now moment as much as possible. Happiness cannot be discovered without complete is the Eternal Path of Happiness :)


answered 05 Apr '13, 13:10

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@Michaela There is no way to live in any moment other than the now; this isn't optional. However, if by that you mean focus on sensory stimulation instead of imagination, I would disagree.

(05 Apr '13, 19:03) flowsurfer

Hi Flowsurfer. Unfortunately most of the time we don't live in the 'Now'. Our physical body may be here but our mind is either ruminating on the past or projected into the future. I fully get what you're saying about 'imagination'. However, in order for it to have any power those imaginary thoughts have to be infused with feeling or emotion which can only be experienced 'Now'...thoughts with no feeling behind them are powerless. Hope that helps :)

(05 Apr '13, 20:06) Michaela

@Michaela i was hoping that this profound question of @flowsurfer would pull some of the "big guys" of IQ back into play lol

(06 Apr '13, 01:32) ru bis
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lol , first off good you posted the question. My view into answering is this, you , me, and everyone are on our path of happiness. Let me explain , life is full of shit there is NO way around it. Hard times , failures, pressure some good some bad. Overall though, what we go through reveals to us who we really are; another way to put it is it shows us what we are made of.


answered 05 Apr '13, 17:02

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hi @Popi Bearcat Gibson the third dimension is full of "shit" as you say, and shit is disagreeable, so it can act as a motor to obtain better things, to show us as we really are :)

(06 Apr '13, 01:37) ru bis

hmm . . I thought he was saying whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

(06 Apr '13, 01:41) ele

yes but if you eat too much shit @ele it can kill you

(06 Apr '13, 03:05) ru bis

lol! I'll take your word. I've seen dogs eat their own poop. You would think any amount could be lethal. I know I've eaten my fair share of shit pie in my lifetime.

(06 Apr '13, 03:58) ele

shit happens.

(06 Apr '13, 04:46) ursixx

“Life is like a shit sandwich. The more bread you have the less shit you have to eat.”

(06 Apr '13, 20:36) releaser99

I just want to say the word "shit" as well.

(01 May '13, 11:03) Nikulas

good look to everyone who posted, @ re bis ,if shit is disagreeable, HOW THE FUCK CAN IT ACT AS A MOTOR TO OBTAIN BETTER THINGS????. Mafukas cant just sell me anything; I respect others opinions but I don't have to agree with it. If something is disagreeable {"that means that it DOESN'T work with something else} @ ele you understood me perfectly hahah good for you.

(01 May '13, 12:30) Popi Bearcat Gibson

@ releaser PERFECT DOUBLE ENTENDRE !! hell yea

(01 May '13, 12:34) Popi Bearcat Gibson

sorry just saw this - @Popi Bearcat Gibson - thanks & perhaps we'll see you again on IQ. @Nikulas lol! Felt good, didn't it?

(09 Jun '13, 21:37) ele
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I happened upon this poem - you wanted elaborate - I think it's intricate, rich & detailed. I also think it's the longest path of happiness because you can do this every day for the rest of your life.

The Flow Of Life

Written By: Praveen

If the sky above seems cloudy,
And you are left out in the rain,
If you are searching for a rainbow,
But the colors bring you pain,
If your world is not revolving,
And there is no end in sight,
If you are looking for the sunshine,
But all you see is night,
If all around are smiling,
But all you can do is frown,
If you are tired of all this living,
When life just brings you down,

Then look beyond your teardrops,
At the wonders of this land,
The beauty of a flower,
Like velvet in your hand.
Feel the air around you,
The smell of new mown hay,
Laughing children in the park,
The innocence there at play,

Imagine floating with a butterfly,
As she flutters between the trees,
Or the whispers of the ocean,
On warm hot summer’s breeze,
Think of the taste of candy floss,
As it melts upon your tongue,
Or the melody of morning birds,
As they greet each day with song,
Remember words of beauty,
Told in your mother’s embrace,
Feel the gentleness of her touch,
As she softly kissed your face,

Seek the good within you,
Cast the clouds from your sky,
Don’t look toward the pavement,
But hold your head up high,
Think not what life owes you,
But of all you have to give,
Forget about tomorrow,
Then you can start to live.

So Bless this age your are living in,
With the gifts you can bestow,
Don’t disregard the stream of life,
Go gently with the flow.

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answered 06 Apr '13, 07:10

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edited 06 Apr '13, 10:48

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I love this,thanks for sharing ele...:)

(06 Apr '13, 07:45) Roy

Thanks @Barry Allen for all the fixes. Thanks @Roy I like it too. I'm sure you noticed flow's many insightful & helpful answers & comments to other IQ members questions. Anyhoo, when it comes to flow, I find it best to smile & send him love. I know he's doing the same for me..

(06 Apr '13, 21:43) ele

Hi flowsurser, here's a list, i love them, helps me to memorize;

1 Do things that you love with special attention to every detail.

2 Forgive everything and everybody no matter what and live a life according to unconditional love in other words "live and let live".

3 Live every second as if it's your last, so that you experience everything with new eyes.

4 Find that immobile place within and from this state construct artistic works.

5 Participate every second of your life, never be a by-stander.

6 Feel and be kind to everyone, all animals, plants, the whole of nature, in short feel love for the entire universe.

7 Find new doors and step through them, you'd be surprised what you may find there.

8 Let go, be free and flexible.

9 Look to the stars and follow yours hopes, ignore any fears.

10 Now and again pause and notice whatever attracts your attention.

11 Seek challenges that give an opportunity to discoveries.

12 Just be, breathe in and out, lol, and be really thankful to be alive.

13 Always remember wilfred owen and his poetry that he wrote during the time he was a soldier during ww1. He was killed in action 4th november 1918, aged 25 years, he knew the value of life;

Anthem for Doomed Youth

What passing-bells for those who die like cattle, only the monstrous anger of the guns. Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle can patter out their hasty orisons. No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells, nor any voice of mourning save the choirs, the shrill demented choirs of wailing shells; and bugles calling them from sad shires.

What candles may be held to speed them all? Not in the hands of boys, but in their eyes, shall shine the holy glimmers of goodbyes. The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall; their flowers the tenderness of patient minds, and each slow dusk a drawing down of blinds.

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answered 04 Apr '13, 13:43

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edited 04 Apr '13, 14:05

Your "path of happiness" list is beautiful & inspirational ... I agree, we should remember Wilfred Owen' s words. Truthfully, I had forgotten his poetry & legacy. Thanks for the reminder.

(04 Apr '13, 19:53) ele

Are you still hearing those black war planes? Have you ever done any past life regression or similar type work? Do you believe in it?

(04 Apr '13, 23:58) ele

@ele "black war planes", war, bombs = suffering. Thanks @flowsurfer i now understand the meaning; it is normal to suffer, it is normal to be disabled, it is normal to die young ... need i go on? in other words suffering gives pleasure, and @releaser99 was right when he said "pervert" ... now that i'm conscious of the phenomenon i'm free of self punishment :)

(05 Apr '13, 01:07) ru bis

@ru bis That's what you've been doing, punishing yourself & the reason you were caught also.

(05 Apr '13, 01:28) ele

@ele yes, and i allowed myself to be caught :) come to think of it "pervert" could be interpreted as "using something in a different or unusual manner"

(05 Apr '13, 01:33) ru bis

@ru bis that was the question I've been wanting to ask you. Thank you. Are you ok now. Letting the fear go?

(05 Apr '13, 01:38) ele

@ru bis Yes, I knew pervert had more than one meaning. I'm glad you clarified it for the other people who are reading along.

(05 Apr '13, 01:58) ele

@ele whenever i feel fear i listen to this bashar meditation

(05 Apr '13, 02:06) ru bis

@ru bis Good one! Thanks for posting it. I had never seen it before. If you've let go of the fear & forgiven yourself; you'll soon have the life you dream of. You posted a song once - I can't find the post & listened to only part of it once. I think it was smile when your heart is breaking. Not the kind of music I listen to. However, it had the most haunting soulful sound/tone I've ever heard. Every once in a while I hear it - the sound comes out of nowhere. Am I picking up on your vibes?

(05 Apr '13, 02:17) ele

@ru bis I really wish you would stop punishing yourself & putting yourself down. Wasn't prison enough punishment? I'm going. Maybe I'll stop back before I go to bed. If not bonne nuit. Also, that's why it doesn't make sense you use pc as an excuse.

(05 Apr '13, 02:33) ele

@ele what do you mean i use pc as an excuse?

(05 Apr '13, 02:51) ru bis

@ru bis suss . . . why did you allow yourself to be caught? Answer this & perhaps you will have your answer. I don't mean to be flip & truly don't like misunderstandings. Why did you allow yourself to be caught? Why isn't it enough? Is there more to the story. What does the word excuse mean to you?

(05 Apr '13, 04:07) ele

@ru bis, funny, I'm not grateful for my pulse. As in, it's there because it's simply there. If it wanted to leave, fine! The body drops dead and senses go disconnect. Like, I didn't ask for any pulse to hang around. haha

(05 Apr '13, 05:12) CalonLan

Liar Liar Pants On Fire, Dear Cal..

(05 Apr '13, 05:53) ele

@CalonLan you don't want to leave in other words you are grateful for your pulse ... we are free to end our pulse whenever we wish

(05 Apr '13, 05:58) ru bis

@ele, I onced lost so much blood, due to tumor in my intestines that I know what it's like when "the system" starts shutting down. The vision goes narrow, bright white comes forward, then darkest black,..then I remember waking up on the floor with 5 nurses above me and I asked "who are you, angels?" I couldn't remember my name, or where I am and why. Only after a long stare at the room I recognized I was in a hospital and why I was there and who I am...

It's like falling into sleep...

(05 Apr '13, 06:02) CalonLan

...physically wise, it doesn't hurt. You don't feel a thing. And if I were to choose a way to go out, this would be it. Just shut down. No choking, no hurting, no struggle. Just become sleepy and blank out. Perhaps that's one of the reasons I don't care if I drop dead in next 5 minutes or 50 years. Cause I don't fear death. Just as I don't fear sleep.

People more often fear the way of dying than the death itself.

(05 Apr '13, 06:05) CalonLan

@ru bis, I sure enjoy the benefits it provides and the show I can experience thanks to it. But saying like "thank you so much for being here" no-no.

It's like someone giving you an icecream. Well, I'll enjoy it now that it's been given to me, but it's not like I'm gonna be thankful for it. For I would enjoy my day even if I didn't receive the icecream.

Same with the pulse. "I" have enjoyed the emptiness and nothingness of death, being born - Ok, I'll lick the life now that I have it. =)

(05 Apr '13, 06:12) CalonLan

@ Cal So that is your scar? Was it cancer & is it still a threat? I've been close to death a couple times. I don't fear death as long as it does not hurt.
“The wound is the place where the Light enters you.” ~~ Rumi

(05 Apr '13, 06:33) ele

@CalonLan in other words life is just one big tasty ice cream, seems fine to me :)

(05 Apr '13, 06:41) ru bis

@ele, It's where everything started. Where I started to think about self-improvement first and got into loa, buddhism, taoism, and all of this. 2.5 years, sounds like a long journey, been so fun in retrospect. It wasn't that kind of cancer that spreads, it was only local and it was removed. But there's no point seeing this as threat, it could give me final blow in the future, but then, anything could. You protect your right, only to find that the very end of you is coming from your left. :)

(05 Apr '13, 06:49) CalonLan

@ele, death is like a friend you've scheduled to meet one day. Until then, do something and have fun doing it. The meeting will come as it was scheduled. Exciting part is, nobody knows exactly when. And then you'll talk about how it was. I ponder, will he ask "up for another ride of life?" ^_^

(05 Apr '13, 06:52) CalonLan

@Cal I like those thoughts..

(05 Apr '13, 07:20) ele

@ru bis "what do you mean i use pc as an excuse?" pc is an explanation. To me an excuse is a defense & a reason is something all together different. 3 different things. You stated your reason clearly on another thread. It's just a communication or matter of interpretation error. I know when I looked up the definition of excuse, explanation was listed as a synonym. For some reason you sounded defensive to me & that was my perception which may not be what you were projecting at all.

(06 Apr '13, 02:37) ele

Friends should tell friends the truth. I always do in real life. @ru bis Truth is it sounds like an excuse (defense) because you never OWN it. Also, I do not care what Bing dictionary said, there is a huge difference between an excuse & an explanation.

(06 Apr '13, 06:10) ele
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