This question goes back to my ability of experiencing many forms of Light within as well as without.

I would like to mention one time in particular, just to see where this goes because I obviously have a couple of views myself and Inward Quest is the right place to put it out there. (thanks to all of you).

This one experience started where I am sitting now, in front of my computer looking for an answer to a question. The site I was viewing at the time was Powerful Intentions.

I had just finished logging in and was going to a group I like called expanding consciousness and was waiting for it to open but my computer froze inbetween pages at a grey screen with tiny triangles on it.

After a couple of seconds a small octagon appeared in the center of my screen and started rotating clockwise, it was about two inches in diameter.

As I was watching it, it was growing gradually, I could not take my eyes off it.

My wife and my son were sitting behind me and I asked her if she could see this, she didn't know what I was talking about so I was showing her and as I turned and was pointing at it, it followed my field of vision and was now about four foot in diameter and was taking on very strong rainbow colors.

It had grown outwardly from it's original shape to a large series of Geometric shapes and was now about eight foot in diameter and started moving towards me. (and no my wife could not see it but my son then 2 1/2 just stared)

At this stage now it totally engulfed me, I went up the stairs to our main floor and into the living room were there are several mirrors and much to my surprise I could clearly see it in the mirrors. At this stage it was huge I'm guessing twenty feet across and extremely strong at my peripheral vision limit.

My wife and son followed me upstairs and I had been describing the changes taking place, she could not see it but did feel something (so she laughed and danced in it).

This is when things changed, not only did I have a large geometric dome surrounding me, two other rotations appeared in my peripheral vision, one on each side and looked like large gold with red tipped ends (best way to describe them are jacks, like in the game) one spinning clockwise the other counter clockwise, these rotations seemed to pause slightly at times, almost like I was being probed. This lasted for about four minutes and then everything just faded away.

Now the reason for the question about Merkabas comes from later on that day where I don't know how but I ended up at a site simply called Metatron and a question would come to mind and also an immediate answer dealing with Merkabas, Metatrons cube and so on.

I am very familiar with Merkaba Meditation ( 17 plus 1 breath) but have never achieved it so far. But I do feel I have visited other places in my fire breath meditation.

So the question is can you experience or activate a Merkaba involuntarily?

Thank You

asked 29 Nov '09, 13:28

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edited 31 Dec '10, 11:29

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Thanks for posting such a unique and fascinating description of such an unusual experience. The one thing missing from your description, which I think is quite important for us potential answerers to know, is how did you feel during the experience, and how did you feel about it after it was all over?

(29 Nov '09, 20:50) Stingray

I started to answer Stingrays comment but it went on too long. Hi Stingray,up until this vision everything I had experienced vision wise had very soft or subtle starts that only involved me,I had been to the PI site often and when my computer froze and I saw the octagon(I had seen it before several times) my first reaction was somewhat hesitant.This was really different, much stronger and soo very vivid or alive;I definitely felt a presence - of what I don't know. I was very excited by what I was seeing and feeling and my wife didn't question my reactions or show any doubt towards my ramblings about what was happening.I was pretty much in awe and still felt in control over the situation.The only time I genuinely felt unsure was when the two rotations started.At that point I stopped thinking divine source and started thinking otherwise. I felt like I was being probed and this was a little uncomfortable.I can honestly say that I have enjoyed these, whatevers, as I call them.They truly make me feel like I belong to something much larger than I have been living.I have absolutely no control over these whatevers but I can't wait till the next visit. Namaste

(29 Nov '09, 22:11) Roy

Hi Stingray I had to answer you below because I went on too long sorry. I would like to thank Barry for the edit, it's very much appreciated.

(29 Nov '09, 22:21) Roy

Thanks for the extra details Roy. Unusually for me (as my friends would tell you), I'm a bit stumped about what to say about all this - it's so far beyond my own rather mundane experiences that I can't say much other than point out the obvious..."if it felt good, it probably was something good". I'll mull over it for a few days and see if anything comes to mind. In the meantime, I'll also be interested to see what others make of it all

(29 Nov '09, 23:12) Stingray

Roy I don't have an answer, but a question

If you could have everything taken care of (family responsibilities) & had complete freedom of time for spiritual quest, what would be your ultimate spiritual destination?

I mean what inner spiritual destination are you most in harmony with? Because what ever you are experiencing has a connection to some inner direction that you have given permission to.

Apparently nothing happens outside until it is initiated within. which then reflects back as a physically manifested mirror. So what you experience represents what you believe on the inside.

(30 Nov '09, 05:24) The Traveller

Thank you for your question T. If everything was taken care of, I feel my spiritual destination would be simply to help others in what ever way was presened to me. Whether it was helping people awaken to All That Is, or helping someone rebuild their Life for whatever reason.I laid in bed for hours last night after watching CNN Heroes and I have not cried that much in a long time.I just laid there thinking what could I do to help a person who has genuine hardships in their life.I know I have a purpose in Life and I believe it is to teach in some capacity but I don't what or how. Thanks T

(30 Nov '09, 12:16) Roy

Well, strange things do happen in life, and for some of us, seeing is believing. But once you have had the experience, you will understand, and you will know that it is real. There is so much in life to experience, but not everyone would be interested in these matters. Basically, I like to keep an open mind, and to respect someone else's experence.

(02 Dec '09, 08:41) Inactive User ♦♦

The energies are building, and we are all sensitive to them. There is no harm in speaking your truth. love and light.

(02 Feb '12, 22:17) Roy

Roy - interesting experience, this is surely not the first time you have felt this kind of thing, could you tell us more about other such experiences ? thanks for sharing

(03 Feb '12, 07:22) blubird two

@bluebird two,No this is not the first IItime.Since my first full kundalini experience the energies I see are constantly changing or evolving.The very first energy that I experienced,is the only one that does leave,it just keeps changing to a higher frequency and is much more expansive when I choose to view it. love and light.

(03 Feb '12, 10:48) Roy

This is a great story. I have never even heard the word Merkaba before. New ideas to peek into, cool... :)

(15 Sep '12, 09:59) Grace

Yes - contact me please-I have something to share with you - same experience !!!! It happened on 2012.

(23 Sep '15, 02:26) azougue
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This at first sounded like Merkaba but the more i read it sounds even greater like the Vortexijah! WOW!

The only way is in pictures to describe the difference luckily I just learned how to put in pictures on here. From both Merkaba and Vortexijah you can easily see where "Angel Wings" come from.

First Merkaba alt text

Now Vortexijah alt text alt text

The Vortexijah is like two Merkabas spinning around each other in opposing directions.


answered 21 Feb '10, 01:17

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edited 03 Feb '12, 09:02

Wade,for me to describe what I experience would take a very long time. I believe it is one of two things or maybe both.One thing for sure is I definitely Feel there is a higher power at work.Some viewings are systematic and last a specific amount of time.They will mirror image themselves (left side then right side) at different times.Some involve Metallic Spheres(machinery)at my peripheral limits(not God like).I believe there are two seperate powers at work.I guess I should post a question.Love and Light

(21 Feb '10, 03:59) Roy

Yes that does seem more like the Vortexijah to me. Enjoy the experience of this because you are rare to experience this. :-)

(03 Feb '12, 21:41) Wade Casaldi

@Wade,I honestly believe that absolutely everyone can experience an psychic opening, they are not rare at all. love and light.

(03 Feb '12, 21:51) Roy

Its kind of funny Wade, when I first experienced energies,I thought I was the second coming of christ.At that time my ego was front and center.I thought I was special. I have since learned that I AM THAT I AM, I Am the father, I AM the son. We are ONE . love and light.

(03 Feb '12, 22:50) Roy

@Wade - love the diagrams :)

(04 Feb '12, 00:26) blubird two

@wade yes I have to agree, the diagrams really helped me to understand this better. I've never heard of this before. Thank you :)

(06 Nov '12, 01:23) Halcyon
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Until you gain a certain measure of control over the process, I would expect that your experiences would always be involuntary.


answered 29 Nov '09, 20:49

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Hi Vesuvius.I honestly don't know if I will ever have control over these whatevers ,you have to understand this is how my Awakening started by seeing Light in many different forms.As I mentioned to Stingray I have no control of them they come when they choose.

(29 Nov '09, 22:18) Roy

I can honestly say I do not know. I would ask God was this that which came to you was it of him or from him. If not you might want to ask that God remove it from you if it is not of God if you want to do that.

I have read a little about this Merkaba, since your question, and I have listed its meaning which I am sure you are well aware of it. It said if you do achieve the 17+1 that you would leave here and be transported some where else. Are you prepared to leave your wife and son?

I would just be careful you seem to know more about this than maybe some of us on this site.

Merkaba, also spelled Merkabah, is the divine light vehicle allegedly used by ascended masters to connect with and reach those in tune with the higher realms. "Mer" means Light. "Ka" means Spirit. "Ba" means Body. Mer-Ka-Ba means the spirit/body surrounded by counter-rotating fields of light, (wheels within wheels), spirals of energy as in DNA, which transports spirit/body from one dimension to another.

The following link is where I found this meaning.


answered 30 Nov '09, 06:32

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Thanks flowingwater, I have been visiting Ellies site for over two years and she has been a awesome source of information.In Merkaba travel,the physical Me stays here and the inner Me ascends to a different plane or Realm, very similar to that of a out of body experience.They are all temporary. The one difference is that in Merkaba travel I could be gone years to another Realm but by our time standards I would only be absent from myself for a very short period of time.It's my understanding that this is meant as a teaching tool,I believe I have a lesson to Learn. Thanks Flowingwater :)

(30 Nov '09, 12:42) Roy

I guess I have mis-understood what it was saying Roy I thought it was saying once you reach the 18 breathe than you dispear altogether from this dimention into the fouth dimention. So, I assume you understand and know what you are doing but just double check everything to be sure. For you are dealing with other dimentions and we all don't have an complete understanding of this dimention.You will disappear from this world and reappear in another one that will be your new home for awhile. This is not the end, but the beginning of an ever expanding consciousness returning you HOME to your FATHER

(01 Dec '09, 02:40) flowingwater

I'm very glad to descover this old question of Roy. I read all, the sheared experience, responses and comments. The more excited me the question of involuntarily happening. I also have had some involuntarily experiences, but other than Merkaba. Just now I cannot take a response, because I am very tired of reading and walking on the Internet along 14 hours and now can't focussing. But I will come back soon for an answer. Thank you your question, Roy.

(28 Jan '10, 23:37) Gleam
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well roy i do not know much about merkaba. but it seams similar to enlightement and god realization(mahasamadhi). since we are all being of light. but i can tell you that you could stay there and never return if you would change your decision of experiencing this world. and yes i can understand you when you say that you experience stuff that might not be common to other people experience. after that experience did you experience annything in the next 7 days?


answered 22 Jan '12, 06:06

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@ whitetiger, I have not stopped experienceing energy of one form or another. It now is a part of my evolution. I cant help but notice it. I am that I AM. Love and Light.

(02 Feb '12, 21:53) Roy

I remember reading or hearing something about Buddhist monks in meditation experiencing paranormal activities, and being regarded as a normal part of their process. Maybe you could find more information and support at a temple or meditation center.


answered 03 Feb '12, 17:28

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Hello Roy, merkaba, shri yantra, torus, vortex, auras including human ... personally i put all these is the same box called electromagnetic fields, now things, for myself anyway, become a lot clearer ... so we are talking about a state of complete harmony with our subtle energy body washed clear so to speak, so can this state be obtained involuntarily? yes probably after much hardship, i would go so far as to say that the first time we reach total enlightenment is always a spontaneous quantum step, once we have experienced this state then it is much easier to reach it consciously ... when we are "on the journey" we can experience all kinds of strange things, in my experience these are projections of those "energy" parts in us that are not yet integrated in the personality ... have fun :)


answered 04 Feb '12, 10:06

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blubird two

edited 04 Feb '12, 10:08


You are correct in saying that it is all about an magnetic field. This is creation before it is manifest.The God seed from which flowers all life. love and light.

(04 Feb '12, 10:15) Roy

Hi Roy, I would love to chat with you more about your merkabah experience. I didnt have one as awesome as yours but i did have a vision that opened doors for me about the merkabah. I had a vision that i was sitting inside a merkabah and this was how i was to connect to my higher self and also speak with higher powers. Its a connection and communication device, or way to connect and communicate. Like a doorway. I also felt it could maybe even teleport me to other dimensions possible. It can be used as a doorway for many things. When i had this vision i was very young and had no idea what a merkabah was, when i started searching for what this could mean i found tons of information on the internet about how it could be used, so this confirmed my visions. Ironically Merkabah means:"thing to ride in, cart" To even go one step further The Bible makes mention of a specific type of angel found in the Merkaba called "Seraphim". These angels appear like flashes of fire continuously ascending and descending.


answered 04 Nov '12, 01:39

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We all have our own merkaba,and you can also work within a group merkaba and be working,still within a larger one,such as Lord Metatron's. If that makes sense to you.Love and Light.

(05 Nov '12, 18:46) Roy

That totally makes sense to me! Thank you

(05 Nov '12, 23:26) Skuldr
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