This may seem like an odd question, but it stems from a recent peculiar experience.

I was recently gathering information on the life of someone that I was once connected to, but who has long since passed away. For the sake of brevity, we'll call this person my "friend." I tracked down a former acquaintance of his (whom I had never met before), and this person told me stories that I had never heard...about things my friend had done which would be regarded by 99.9% of modern humans as "miraculous." Things straight out of the bible. My "friend" had been able to perform these things often and repeatedly, and interestingly, was very low-key about it, so that very few people knew that he had actually done them--only a small number who shared his interest in spiritual matters.

Later I was shown a former possession of his which I recognized as being affiliated with a secret society that is (or claims to be, at least) hundreds of years old. This society is now so fractured into various branches (supposedly taking different approaches) that it is difficult to know which branch he was involved in.

In the past, I have never had much interest in societies such as the Masons (which, according to the members I have known, seem to have lost any mystical/esoteric approach which once existed), Memphis-Mizraim, Rosicrucians, and Martinists. A lot of it (from what I was able to gather by scratching the surface) seemed like mumbo-jumbo to me, and some of it seemed like outright magic of the "dark" type that people like Crowley worked with. Of the world-domination-type secret societies, I have absolutely no interest.

However, the things my friend performed were quite unselfish (from a materialistic standpoint), and were of immense benefit to others...and many of those beneficiaries were not his personal friends or acquaintances.

I am now wondering if it is possible that such "good" mystical societies exist which are in possession of some special spiritual knowledge or training...or if my friend was simply an expert manifester using similar processes to what we practice on IQ.

There are also references to "societies" that are now mostly (or wholly) non-physical, such as the Great White Lodge and Great White Brotherhood. I believe this is also where the concept of "Ascended Masters" comes from--which I admittedly know very little about.

From the 18th century treatise, The Cloud Upon the Sanctuary:

Therein are mysteries that our philosophy does not dream of, the key to which is not to be found in scholastic science. Meanwhile, a more advanced school has always existed to whom this deposition of all science has been confided, and this school was the community illuminated interiorly by the Saviour, the society of the Elect, which has continued from the first day of creation to the present time; its members, it is true, are scattered all over the world, but they have always been united in the spirit and in one truth; they have had but one intelligence and one source of truth, but one doctor and one master; but in whom resides substantially the whole plenitude of God, and who alone initiates them into the high mysteries of Nature and the Spiritual World.

The problem, of course, with finding out anything about secret societies is that they are, in fact, secret. So even organizations that seem to be more up-front like this one, still tell you things like this:

The One Mystery, also known as the Royal Secret, is conveyed in at the same level of degrees, across the Branches, in respectively the Superieur Inconnu, Master Coën, and Scottish Master of St. Andrew degrees, indicated by the ribbon on the Candelabra-table. The Order considers this Mystery its most precious inheritance, and perceives all further degree-work as a deepening of its realization.

Any thoughts? Do these "secret teachings" and "mysteries" all lead back to the same concepts and information that we discuss here on IQ for free? Thanks. :)

asked 17 Jan '14, 12:53

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Do these "secret teachings" and "mysteries" all lead back to the same concepts and information that we discuss here on IQ for free?

I have some knowledge of a few of these "Secret Societies" (for personal privacy, I'm deliberately not providing any more details) and I'm of the view that, yes, what they teach does lead back to the same concepts as on IQ because those concepts are "ultimate cause" ones. You might be an airline pilot or you might be a bungee jumper but you are still playing within the rules of the ultimate cause of Gravity :)

Those societies just use different terminology and have different goals for the application of that information. Some of them also apply value judgements to that information and the people deemed "worthy" to receive it but I find that a bit nonsensical because you can't force information onto "worthy" people anyway (see further down this answer). And The Law of Attraction will always find a way to bring that information to anyone who is already a vibrational match to it even if they are not signed up to your society.

In fact, even whether an outsider to such a society decides to classify one "Secret Society" and its members as "good" and one as "bad" is also a value judgement since everyone believes they are "doing good"...methinks it is time to pull out my trusty Gurdjieff quote... :)

One may say that evil does not exist for subjective man at all, that there exist only different conceptions of good. Nobody ever does anything deliberately in the interests of evil, for the sake of evil.

Everybody acts in the interests of good, as he understands it. But everybody understands it in a different way. Consequently men drown, slay, and kill one another in the interests of good.

G I Gurdjieff

So, really, all "Secret Societies" are Good and are Doing Good with what they know...they just have different ideas about what Good means :)

As for whether these organizations possess "special mystical knowledge", yes, I would say that many of them do otherwise people wouldn't find value in being a part of them. But the (vibrational) times are changing and what was once deemed "special" (and which some felt needed to be hidden from the masses) is now almost commonplace and in full view.

Over the past few decades, we've gone from "special mystical knowledge" being impossible to find without word-of-mouth teaching to being abundantly available.

Now the problem is that there is so much information out there (often Internet-disseminated) that the knowledge has almost become hidden again, not by choice, but by being submerged in information overload :) So a site like IQ becomes valuable in being an information filter rather than just an information provider.

Top Secret Society

I think the secretness of many of these "Secret Societies" really comes down to just filtering out the time-wasters (as defined by them). Law of Attraction doesn't allow knowledge to be given to those who are not a vibrational match to it so you might as well save yourself a lot of unnecessary hassle, keep your club doors firmly closed, and only let the ones find you who have already proved themselves motivated enough (i.e. vibrationally ready) for what you have to offer.

And since I'm surfing a Gurdjieff wave in this particular answer :) here's the man addressing the same notion...

That is one aspect. The other, as I have already said, consists in the fact that no one is concealing anything; there is no mystery whatever. But the acquisition or transmission of true knowledge demands great labor and great effort both of him who receives and of him who gives.

And those who possess this knowledge are doing everything they can to transmit and communicate it to the greatest possible number of people, to facilitate people's approach to it and enable them to prepare themselves to receive the truth.

But knowledge cannot be given by force to anyone and, as I have already said, an unprejudiced survey of the average man's life, of what fills his day and of the things he is interested in, will at once show whether it is possible to accuse men who possess knowledge of concealing it, of not wishing to give it to people, or of not wishing to teach people what they know themselves.

He who wants knowledge must himself make the initial efforts to find the source of knowledge and to approach it, taking advantage of the help and indications which are given to all, but which people, as a rule, do not want to see or recognize.

Knowledge cannot come to people without effort on their own part. They understand this very well in connection with ordinary knowledge, but in the case of great knowledge, when they admit the possibility of its existence, they find it possible to expect something different.

G I Gurdjieff


answered 19 Jan '14, 06:10

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"Those societies just use different terminology and have different goals for the application of that information." Excellent and much agreed, some want to emphasize soul, spirit importance like Astara, others want to emphasize mind and brain like Neo-Tech.

(19 Jan '14, 07:49) Wade Casaldi

@Stingray - Thanks very much for the answer and the information.

The thing that I took away from the experience described above is that, prior to that encounter, I truly believed that all things are possible...even so-called "supranormal" things only recounted in myths. But after hearing the firsthand accounts of my "friend," I now know they are possible, and are being done by human beings right now in this physical reality, some of whom I'm quite close to...

(20 Jan '14, 15:42) lozenge123

@Stingray - ...It has solidified or crystallized my belief into a knowing. And his connection to the secret society made me this society's application of the concepts we talk about on IQ somehow deeper or more effective? Because no one on IQ has ever talked about doing something akin to the thing that he did...although I am of course aware that just because no one on IQ is talking about it doesn't mean that no one on IQ is doing it. :)

(20 Jan '14, 15:42) lozenge123

@Stingray - ...Such an experience had made me consider that such knowledge might be worth pursuing through that particular venue. However, your statement "the (vibrational) times are changing and what was once deemed "special" (and which some felt needed to be hidden from the masses) is now almost commonplace and in full view" makes me think that that would be rather unnecessary...

(20 Jan '14, 15:42) lozenge123

@Stingray - ...and that everything I might desire in that realm of knowledge is freely available. (Please correct me if I'm misinterpreted). Thanks again. :)

(20 Jan '14, 15:43) lozenge123

@lozenge123 - "just because no one on IQ is talking about it doesn't mean that no one on IQ is doing it" - I'd say that's an accurate statement. If you push people's belief systems too far beyond what they can accept, they have a tendency to push back and then it's not a fun experience for anyone involved. Sometimes silence is golden :)

(20 Jan '14, 16:42) Stingray

@lozenge123 - "made me consider that such knowledge might be worth pursuing through that particular venue" - Firstly, I'd say it's always worth following your own inspiration regardless of what anyone else (including me) says :) Secondly, consider learning a musical instrument - all the info is out there. If you watched enough YouTube videos, produced by whoever, you'd probably eventually figure out the mechanics of how to play. But it's just so much easier to follow a set of lessons:)

(20 Jan '14, 16:50) Stingray

@Stingray "If you push people's belief systems too far beyond what they can accept, they have a tendency to push back and then it's not a fun experience for anyone involved. Sometimes silence is golden :) " So true, I found that out the hard way here! LOL

Sometimes you get something so amazing and big you feel you need to share and surprise, it was only for you and it flops big time. I needed to learn that, much agreed.

(20 Jan '14, 17:27) Wade Casaldi

@Stingray - Thanks again for the info and words of wisdom. It's given me a lot to think about. "If you push people's belief systems too far beyond what they can accept, they have a tendency to push back and then it's not a fun experience for anyone involved." Agreed...and, by the way, if you happen to come across any places and/or organizations that harbor unlimited belief systems (and that you have not already mentioned in other threads) please feel free to drop a hint. :) Thanks again.

(24 Jan '14, 00:12) lozenge123

@lozenge123 - "organizations that harbor unlimited belief systems" - If you've got a spare Lycra figure-hugging bodysuit handy then these people might be worth joining :)

But seriously, I don't hold back on anything that I find genuinely useful. The vibrational times in which I found those "traditional" organizations valuable are over and I can't recommend them now. Reality is more fluid these days and I think it's more a case of holding...

(26 Jan '14, 06:14) Stingray

@lozenge123 - ...a consistently good-feeling place and following your own inspirations towards whoever or whatever you feel drawn towards. There's only one "formal" organization I'm joined up to right now and you already know about them.

(26 Jan '14, 06:15) Stingray

Thanks again for the response, Stingray...will do...and now I'm off to go get my spandex suit. :)

(09 Feb '14, 16:20) lozenge123
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It's certainly true that there're secret societies on earth that claim to possess special mystical knowledge, whether there're "good" (or "bad") is a matter of personal opinion, good/bad are relative terms depending on your beliefs.

Special mystical knowledge concerns rather specific techniques of initiation, techniques of expansion of consciousness that lead to enlightenment. In a state of total enlightenment when you are as one with your inner self, you have access to all knowledge.

Everyone has total knowledge hidden deep within them that can be symbolized by darkness around them. Mystical techniques whether done alone or in a group allow you to light up that darkness and perceive the knowledge that you already possess. The only way to secure knowledge is to expand your consciousness so as to become conscious of it, it's a subjective experience that only you can perform

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answered 18 Jan '14, 02:24

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edited 18 Jan '14, 02:29

There is one OPEN society with special mystical knowledge, which is UNIQUE and satisfying to one's mind, intellect, and reason. You may find answer for any question! Here is the link:

Interestingly, this group can be the pride of Christians as they practice even the most difficult things Jesus taught with his very life--here are some examples:

1) He led a life of remembrance of God! “Very early in the morning, while it was still dark,” He used to go to a lonely place so as to talk to his heavenly Father, as if engaging in a nectar-time (Amritavela) meditation daily. (Mark 1:35; John 8:1, 2). Then again during the day, evening, and sometimes even in night, he took time to talk to his Heavenly Father.—Luke 5:16; 6:12; Mathew 14:23.

2) His life itself was a meditation, as if always doing, in principle, an open-eyed meditation, as he kept his “eyes single.” (Mathew 6:22) He had the real eyes that saw the eternal behind the ephemeral, or the SOURCE behind the resources. (Luke 11:27, 28; 18:18-19) He radiated his heavenly Father’s qualities so perfectly that he could declare that: “I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30)

3) He practiced celibacy; because he viewed all women as his own sisters. (Mathew 23:9) hence never looked at a woman lustfully. (Mathew 5:28)

4) He had a great mind (brahma, in Sanskrit) treating God as his Father and others as his brothers and sisters. (Mathew 23:9) Because of this, he was never influenced by his fleshly family members and relatives. (Mathew 12:46-50) He was like a bride towards God who is also called “husband” (Isaiah 54:5) and doing God’s will was like an intoxication to him. (John 4:34; 6:38)

5) He declared God as the supremely Altruistic (Shiva in Sanskrit) and the source of all good gifts. (Mark 10:18; Mathew 7:11 compare James 1:17)

6) He knew he was a soul, had existed before in Heaven, and would return to heaven after earthly life. (John 5:24; 6:38, 62; 8:42; 13:1; 17:5) He taught that our Heavenly Father is “spirit,” or incorporeal. Thus he implied all His children are also spiritual beings acting in physical bodies; hence are the exact representation of His very being. (John 4:24; 6:63 Compare Ecclesiastes 12:7 and Mark 12:26-27) He also taught we can choose to be peaceful and pure souls, and become the children of God. (Mathew 5:3, 8, 9) Hence he could ask us: “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (Mathew 5:48)

7) Every soul carries within it a sanskar (unique personality traits or response pattern) of one’s own making and acts accordingly. (Mathew 12:35) Many will not change their sanskar, hence will repeat their acts when they are born again.—Luke 16:31 Compare Mathew 11:14; 12:32

8) He believed every action (even an unproductive word one utters) has equal and opposite reaction. (Mathew 12:36; 23:12; Luke 6:38)

9) He declared vices such as lust, anger, greed, attachment, pride … as originating from body-consciousness, and showed perfect control over them.—Mark 7:21-23; compare Galatians 5:19-21; John 16:33; 1 John 2:15-17.

10) Purpose of life is to become like our Heavenly Father, manifesting His qualities in day-to-day life. What is required is only a change in attitude! (Mathew 5:44-48; Genesis 11:6) This is possible because, Spirit is more powerful than the body. (John 6:63) Moreover, such ones will automatically be helped by the Father. (Luke 11:13)

11) This Dark Age will be replaced by Golden Age. (Mathew 12:32; Mathew 19:28) Through many illustrations (Mathew 13:34, 35) he provided some insight into the history: at the start of Golden Age population will be small and will gradually increase (Mathew 13:31-33); first half of history had all divine features, but second half became demonic (Mathew 13:24, 30); some who are convinced of “the kingdom of heaven” will use all their assets in favor of their knowledge (Mathew 13:44, 45)

12) He knew the world will come to its destruction with the stock-piles of deadly arms man has manufactured. (Mathew 24:21; 26:52) 13) He taught that people will be judged on the basis of whether they have loved Light that has come into the world or not! (John 3:19-21)

14) He had full of praise for Abraham (Mathew 8:11; 22:32; John 8:39, 40) about whom the Bible says “God was his friend” and “was proud of being called his God.” (James 2:23; Hebrew 11:16) Why? Because Abraham and his family had a guest-attitude while living on earth, considering themselves as “temporary residents” here, which meant they always lived in remembrance of ‘returning to their original home, a better place.’ (Hebrews 11:13-16 Compare Philippians 3:20)

15) He stated men and women are “images of God,” hence equal. He chose to reveal the most important spiritual truths to a woman who was from a “low” caste community called Samaritans, thus elevated the standard of woman. (John 4) He declared that projection of woman as inferior was the result of “hardheartedness” of some ancient men, which obviously has nothing to do with Scriptures. (Mathew 19:4-8) God is not partial to any nation or religion; but goes by fruitage one produces (Mathew 21:43)

16) When all the men whom Jesus personally trained deserted him, “many women” stood with him at the direst moments of his life, ministering to him. (Mathew 27:55) He praised woman as having keener insight into future and spirituality than men (Mathew 26:10-13 Contrast John 6:60) and appointed woman to impart vital spiritual truth to men. (John 20:16-18)

In brief, he lived up to his name, Jesus, (transliteration of the Hebrew Jehoshua), which means “Jehovah is salvation.” Jehovah means “I am that I am.” (Exodus 3:14) Abraham very well knew the meaning of this name and had already put the essence of it in a simple title as “the eternal” (`Olam, in Hebrew) in Genesis 21:33, which God Himself expanded later as: “I am the Alpha and the Omega … who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” (Revelation 1:8) What better word can convey God’s name as the eternal (as opposed to the ephemeral—things that appear, remain for some time and disappear after a while)? Being the ETERNAL, He is THE SOURCE behind all the resources; hence only HE can become our savior, the supreme beneficent (Mark 10:18); and only He can become the valid object of our love! (James 1:17) Thus Jesus’s name was a roaring reminder to the world: “Remember God, because He only is your Savior,” which is in essence all the teachings of Brahamakumaris put together! “Remember God and be pure” has been their most important mantra from their very inception!

Now ask the world, the above mentioned things identify whom. “That is what Brahmakumaris do,” people with keen insight will answer! (In Sanskrit, Brah = great; ma = mind; kumari = daughter; kumar = son) Similarity between Brahmakumaris and Jesus is not a coincidence! Basis of God’s children is always the same, it never changes. (Mathew 5:44-48)


answered 18 Jan '14, 01:10

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edited 18 Jan '14, 01:33

It wouldn't matter, because if they are "secret" you wouldn't know about them - or if you did, you wouldn't be able to get any of the greatest, most hidden, valuable information they have.

This is why I question if all of these "secret" groups are really "secret".


answered 18 Jan '14, 17:25

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edited 18 Jan '14, 17:26

Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

(18 Jan '14, 18:35) white tiger

Here are two common things that are from all my schools.

Know thy self.

The story of where the Gods choose to hide all of wisdom.

I can give two books that sum up what you are. Also it is all through the Bible but you have to know where.

The God Book [Prem Raja Baba]

The Big ####### Secret [Eli Rook]

(18 Jan '14, 19:32) Wade Casaldi

of course @wade if one does not know him self he cannot know other. Since most people see only the outside and are caught in division. they do not know them self are not able to mirror them self to learn from them self. then how can they learn from someone else? so at the place of learning from someone else they point finger and judge. They spend their life looking outside and being lead by desire and promises that will not help them at all. then how can they see the kingdom?

(19 Jan '14, 22:48) white tiger

@white tiger, agreed and here are a few verses to back us up. Genesis 3:22, Psalm 82:6, John 10:34

(19 Jan '14, 23:12) Wade Casaldi

arpgme, as the esoteric becomes the exoteric and then reality it is seen that we as closed up make it a secret

(26 Jan '14, 12:36) fred
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For myself the ones that I have been deeply involved with are in the order that I joined, A.R.E. (The Edger Casey Association For Research and Enlightenment.) Astara, the Order of the Mayans, and lastly Neo-Tech The Society of Secrets.

A.R.E. is based on Edger Casey and his teachings.

The Mayans are a Christian based mystery school. They teach the deeper mysteries of Christ also of course the true Maya teachings.

Astara is a multi-religion based school, from Egypt to Zen to Christian to Hindu it teaches the deeper mysteries of all these and connects them.

Lastly the S.O.S. is most practical down to earth and yes they believe in the God Man but mysticism, no you wont find that with them. They believe the mind should be used in logical ways. These logical ways may seem like magic to those asleep trapped by the deception of Neo-Cheating that most of the world is trapped by the Anti-Civilization.

I will state in none of these did I have to swear my soul to Satan or do any sacrifices or anything weird. All are about using your own mind.

I am a Christian and cast out Satan so if any were dark I'd avoid it.


answered 17 Jan '14, 15:15

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Wade Casaldi

edited 17 Jan '14, 17:13

@Wade Casaldi - Thanks for the info. I'm curious, how practical are these teachings? How well are they able to be integrated into one's day to day life?

(17 Jan '14, 15:31) lozenge123

Well I find the S.O.S. the most practical. I mean it is interesting working on things like your kundalini in Astara but the S.O.S. was the first place to make Your Wish is Your Command available. They talk about right and left brain, they challenge you to think in new ways to be a value creator in the C of U.

(17 Jan '14, 16:19) Wade Casaldi

I just saw this on the net, The Order of The Mayans is no more! I can't find what happened to Rose Dawn. This is somewhat upsetting news, I am a Mayan Centurion.

(17 Jan '14, 21:03) Wade Casaldi

@Wade Casaldi - Thanks very much for sharing. "The Order of The Mayans is no more! I can't find what happened to Rose Dawn." Perhaps they are not truly dead, since you are still here to carry on the teachings? :)

(20 Jan '14, 15:22) lozenge123
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the oldest secret society is the gnosis (knowledge) many of the world myth and legend comes from them. they have use symbol to pass the knowledge along in story. like example: Zeus, Odin, Excalibur, the philosopher stone, alchemy.

all of those story use symbol and convey message. why because the conqueror wanted to rule religion for their own profit. even in today story like stargate sg1 you have the goaoul the ori that are false God that want to rule every one else with power. so what they did to not get caught is simple make nice story using symbol and message so that the awakened that have eyes to see and that know the symbol would understand the message. and those that did not know the symbol would not see it.

blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

narrow is the gate.

with out fear you can cross the last narrow door.

Verily verily I tell you no one can enter the kingdom of God with out being born of water and the spirit.

there is light in a person of the light and it shines on the whole world if not it is dark.

Let there be light, be the light that you can be, experience and enjoy.


answered 18 Jan '14, 01:38

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white tiger

edited 18 Jan '14, 08:17

All mystical knowledge is positive. The intention behind how it is used and how it is shared denotes whether it is positive or negative. Many of those who possess such knowledge believe that if they shared such knowledge with those they judge and declare less understanding and nonredeemable of such knowledge, such knowledge will be corrupted. This is particularly ironic, as those who pass such judgement on sharing this knowledge have become corrupt and have used this knowledge for self-serving means. But this situation is not always as it is now, or has been. There were periods in Earth's history when teacher's of such knowledge would have been killed for openly teaching such knowledge. One such example would be The Essenes, who taught Jahovah (Jesus). But such teachings did not stop Jahovha (Jesus) from spreading The Word, did it?

Is Truth and Knowledge worthy of only a select few? Is judgement judicial when in the hands of a preselected few?

Are there any good secret societies? No. If their heart is in society there is no need for secrets.


answered 20 Feb '14, 05:14

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@TGunn in a world of duality when you have a non dual knowledge with who can you share it? some fall to the left and some to the right some above and some below, then how can they see the puzzle from every side and how it is all connected together? since to do that you have to be able to do it for yourself with in you and outside of you. there is a difference between knowing and believing. Verily verily I tell you in this world who can accept that he is in duality and not always truth? that-

(20 Feb '14, 06:59) white tiger

one being willing can find it and be born again the flesh is flesh and the spirit is spirit. is this knowing or believing? What do you believe?

(20 Feb '14, 07:04) white tiger

@white tiger: What do I believe? I do not believe. I experience, I perceive, I interpret, I discern, I form, and I create.

(21 Feb '14, 03:05) TGunn
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