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Hi @Stingray, This is a question specifically for you because I don't think anyone else on this forum is anywhere near where you are in terms of deliberate creation, so I don't think anyone else is qualified to answer (note to others: no disrespect intended - just stating what I think is a fact, feel free to disagree).

I have discussed Robert Scheinfeld's work in a recent thread. I have now read two books by him and watched a 10-hour long video seminar. Things were going very well until I read the second book (The Ultimate Key to Happiness), and that has thoroughly messed with my head.

So what I'd like to know from you is, what life is like on the other side, after you cross the 'busting loose point' to use Scheinfeld's terminology - I am sure you know what I mean. I am talking about the point beyond which you start seeing physical reality as the illusion that it is, when you don't any more get depressed by the so-called 'bad', or don't get elated by the so-called 'good', when you start enjoying life as it comes, full of excitements and unknowns round every bend.

You have described this lifestyle in several of your posts in the past, which I read with fascination. Scheinfeld also is reportedly living the same kind of life. In fact you are the only two "real" contemporary people I know of who have reached that level.

My question is, how does deliberate creation work when you have reached such a stage? Does LOA matter any more? Do feeling good, vortex, etc matter any more? Even if things that most people would call "terrible" happen to you every day, you still enjoy what is, without judging and without trying to escape it. Why would you still want to touch the vortex? What's the worst that can happen if you don't? You accept what is anyway, so it doesn't matter what happens.

When you reach such a stage, how does desire work? When you say "I want xyz", do you then notice if you don't get it after some time? Do you analyse why you still haven't got it? Do you even say "I want xyz" any more? Why would you, if you are already enjoying what is all the time?

Can so called "terrible" things happen when you are living such a life? What do you do if such a thing happens? By terrible things I mean serious health problems, untimely loss of a very close relative, problems in business, lawsuits, insolvency, etc. If such things still happen, do you try to analyse why they happened, or continue accepting what is? Do you try to rectify the situation, or do you say "I know all of it is an illusion, a movie, and I am loving it, and I wouldn't change one bit of it"?

Thanks in advance, as always.

asked 01 Jan '15, 11:23

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edited 01 Jan '15, 13:26


@cod2 Just out of curiosity, why did reading the 2nd book mess up your head? It seems to be written by the same person so the teachings or concepts should have been roughly similar? and would like to ask @stingray a related question since we're at this: does your wife believe in the LOA or reality creation as much as you? :)

(01 Jan '15, 13:01) kakaboo

@kakaboo, the second book was written when Scheinfeld had progressed farther in the spirituality scale, and he was deep inside what he calls 'Phase 3' (you have to read the "Busting Loose" book and/or watch the seminar if you are unfamiliar with his terminology).

In the second book he describes how he experienced perfect bliss through what any average person would call a horrific run of bad luck, involving a messy divorce, near bankruptcy and a permanent damage to one of his eyes...

(01 Jan '15, 13:14) cod2

@kakaboo - ... which made me wonder: Is that what's really on the other side? I.e. when you cross that line, it's not that you become a Godlike manifester and you click a finger and your reality changes, but may be, you don't want to change your reality any more, because nothing bothers you any more, because you know it's all just a movie.

So I wanted to find out what's on the other side. Only two people can tell me that - @Stingray and Scheinfeld. I have asked Scheinfeld too :-)

(01 Jan '15, 13:19) cod2

@cod2 I am sure there are a lot more people (not me though yet) on this site who have success with these ideas as much as Stingray just that they don't participate that much or do not explain these ideas as well as him. This is just one example of it: But of course, if you want all the other details, you will still have to ask Stingray :)

(02 Jan '15, 12:17) kakaboo

what's life like on the other side? ... you can get a first glimpse by doing this exercise; close your eyes, what do you feel? when you can easily experience an infinite space inside then you know you've got it right and are ready to follow the path further ... if you have difficulty then I suggest that you practice exercises to increase your flow of chi energy, (magnetic force or whatever you wish to name it)

(29 May '15, 04:42) jaz

what's life like on the other side? ... it's like being entirely free where things flow easily

(01 Jun '15, 00:37) jaz
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This question reminds me of this story :)

Once there lived a village of creatures along the bottom of a great crystal river. The current of the river swept silently over them all - young and old, rich and poor, good and evil, the current going its own way, knowing only its own crystal self.

Each creature in its own manner clung tightly to the twigs and rocks of the river bottom, for clinging was their way of life, and resisting the current what each had learned from birth.

But one creature said at last, "I am tired of clinging. Though I cannot see it with my eyes, I trust that the current knows where it is going. I shall let go, and let it take me where it will. Clinging, I shall die of boredom."

The other creatures laughed and said, "Fool! Let go, and that current you worship will throw you tumbled and smashed across the rocks, and you will die quicker than boredom!"

But the one heeded them not, and taking a breath did let go, and at once was tumbled and smashed by the current across the rocks. Yet in time, as the creature refused to cling again, the current lifted him free from the bottom, and he was bruised and hurt no more.

And the creatures downstream, to whom he was a stranger, cried, "See a miracle! A creature like ourselves, yet he flies! See the Messiah, come to save us all!"

And the one carried in the current said, "I am no more Messiah than you. The river delights to lift us free, if only we dare let go. Our true work is this voyage, this adventure."

But they cried all the more, "Savior!" all the while clinging to the rocks, and when they looked again he was gone, and they were left alone making legends of a Savior.

Illusions - Richard Bach

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Your time would be better spent focusing on principles, not people.

Just a friendly suggestion :)


answered 03 Jan '15, 14:11

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Nice! I just reread Jonathan Livingston Seagull last week. Think I'll reread Illusions, too

(03 Jan '15, 20:46) Concolitanos
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