I am going through a very rough time. A new friend recommended that I read Abraham Hicks. I did and when I came home last night there was a hawk on a very low Treebranch just outside my back door.

This morning the hawk was dead on the ground. My Google search for the meaning of this led me to this website. Coincidentally, I see Abraham Hicks is mentioned here often. I didn't know what to do with the bird but I did read that some Indians dissect it and keep the bones.

I wasn't going to do that, but coincidentally my daughter science teacher may be interested in taking the bird to dissect it and let the children examine the bones. Why did all of this happen, what is the message I'm supposed to be receiving? I've dabbled in and read law of attraction books in the past. I'm very familiar with the power of it.

I know all of the horrible things going on in my life right now I have subconsciously created to get me to a better place. I need to have faith. Please help me. Also, the person that introduced me to Abraham Hicks is appearing to be a bad influence. He is encouraging me to do the same things that got me in trouble in the first place.

How could someone who led me to something good be bad. I wonder if now I need to start guiding him?

asked 30 Jan '16, 12:55

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"my daughter science teacher may be interested in taking the bird to dissect it and let the children examine the bones. Why did all of "

IDK where you live but hawks are protected raptors (birds of prey) in NA & I think internationally as well. In most areas its against the law to possess a hawk dead or alive. Do you even know what kind of hawk it is? Depending on the law in your area you could end up being charged with a felony, resulting in a record which will follow you, be subject to

(30 Jan '16, 22:25) ele

be subject to a large fine in the thousands of dollars or even a jail sentence. Just possessing certain types of raptor feathers could result in a very hefty fine. Taking a wounded raptor to a raptor sanctuary for help may result in charges. I don't care how it died, both you & the science teacher will be in a lot of trouble when the kids go home & tell the right parent they are dissecting a endangered & protected species. Call Fish & Wildlife in your area or the local game warden & tell

(30 Jan '16, 22:28) ele

*an endangered and/or protected species.

them there is a dead hawk on your property. They are protected under federal & state laws in the US. Then inform your child's teacher. How is it a science teacher does not know this ? The school would need a special permit to do this & unless you had a permit to possess one, you couldn't legally give it to the school.

(30 Jan '16, 22:30) ele

I did some research on this. I may have misspoke. Educational institutes "may" be exempt but you aren't. I think they have to get the bird from a federal repository. Better to be safe than sorry - make a call & find out the law, especially if you reside in NA.

(31 Jan '16, 08:24) ele

"some Indians dissect it and keep the bones"

With a huge emphasis on the word 'some'. DON'T believe everything you read on the internet. Most Native Americans would find that statement laughable or offensive. Even with a permit which is allowed for Eagles, I don't think Native Americans are allowed to possess any part of a hawk unless owned prior to the law. It's illegal to even transport a wounded or dead raptor. There is a raptor center near me & I personally know people who have been

(31 Jan '16, 08:29) ele

charged when they thought they were doing the right thing by taking a wounded raptor to the center for help because the center is "required" to report it to the US fish & wildlife service. It's against the law to transport & the death or injury of a hawk will be questioned. I'm sure the school would have the same requirement.

(31 Jan '16, 08:30) ele

Abraham hicks is a cult leads, possibly a narcissistic woman. Her inability to go through the stages of grieving was my red flag that reveals her borderline personality disorder. The only sane thing I ever heard her preach about was that humans should drink lots of water. Wow

(31 Jan '16, 08:38) Nikulas

I don't have the time to research this but I would check out the links here & if you live in the US, add your state to the search for more info.

"It is illegal to capture or kill a raptor; "possess" a raptor (living or dead), or any pieces or parts of raptors, including feathers, without proper permits from state and federal government agencies."


(31 Jan '16, 09:07) ele

"All native North American birds of prey are strictly protected, to include a prohibition against the taking or possession of their parts such as feathers or talons. The only exceptions generally allowed for individuals to these prohibitions require permits from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Educational and scientific institutions are exempted from most permit requirements.

Penalties for violations of the MBTA can go up to $15,000 and 6 months imprisonment for common violations. The sale

(31 Jan '16, 09:12) ele

The sale or barter of migratory birds is a felony with penalties up to $500,000 and 2 years imprisonment. Some raptors, such as the bald eagle, are also protected under the Endangered Species Act, and both the bald and golden eagles are also protected under the Eagle Act.

Questions concerning the protection of raptors should be directed to a local state Conservation Officer or the nearest office of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service."

(31 Jan '16, 09:13) ele

Hi Nikulas, I didn't refresh my screen. I hope your comment doesn't get lost due to my rant.

(31 Jan '16, 09:27) ele

Thank you @nikulas and @ele The science teacher didn't want the bird and my state gave me documented instructions on how to dispose of it. I think my message from all of this was to come to this site and learn to stay away from this new friend and Abraham Hicks. Thank you

(31 Jan '16, 10:02) Bhemond

"my state gave me documented instructions on how to dispose of it." Great !

My apologies for assuming Bhemond. It didn't sound like you were aware of the law. I don't think most people in the US are & I didn't want you to find out the hard way like someone I know did. I'm pretty sure schools would have to get the bird from a federal repository the same as Native American tribes would & prob why the teacher said he didn't want it depending on the state & if you reside in the US. Best !

(31 Jan '16, 11:15) ele
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Here's a bit of info that you may be useful @Bhemond, it's an example of a synchronistic event from the book Synchronicity by Carl Jung;

"My example concerns a young woman patient who, in spite of efforts made on both sides, proved to be psychologically inaccessible. The difficulty lay in the fact that she always knew better about everything. Her excellent education had provided her with a weapon ideally suited to this purpose, namely a highly polished Cartesian rationalism with an impeccably "geometrical" idea of reality. After several fruitless attempts to sweeten her rationalism with a somewhat more human understanding, I had to confine myself to the hope that something unexpected and irrational would turn up, something that would burst the intellectual retort into which she had sealed herself. Well, I was sitting opposite her one day, with my back to the window, listening to her flow of rhetoric. She had an impressive dream the night before, in which someone had given her a golden scarab -- a costly piece of jewellery. While she was still telling me this dream, I heard something behind me gently tapping on the window. I turned round and saw that it was a fairly large flying insect that was knocking against the window-pane from outside in the obvious effort to get into the dark room. This seemed to me very strange. I opened the window immediately and caught the insect in the air as it flew in. It was a scarabaeid beetle, or common rose-chafer (Cetonia aurata), whose gold-green colour most nearly resembles that of a golden scarab. I handed the beetle to my patient with the words, "Here is your scarab." This experience punctured the desired hole in her rationalism and broke the ice of her intellectual resistance. The treatment could now be continued with satisfactory results"


answered 31 Jan '16, 04:45

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<laughing> . . . as I was reading your answer Jaz, I was listening to this song from the album "The Golden Scareb" ~ Ray Manzarek


(31 Jan '16, 06:58) ele
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Help yourself. A warning that I'm going to be hard on you, but my respect is present.

If you ask me, it is a test of your character traits and maybe a metaphor. Sound 'feel good' enough to you to accept that? A metaphor, meaning, an analogy of a small unrelated event to reflect your big, 'disastrous' life phase at the moment. You mentioned you are going through a rough period at the moment. Does the dead bird on your perch seem to top it off? Maybe tomorrow 3 dead birds and a dirty ashtray will appear on your doorstep as a bonus.

Reading your question, and judging your use of phrases and descriptions, I have a guess as to the solution. I have picked up a pattern: You have logged onto a spiritual self help website, you have taken your time to draft this question, you are telling us about a rough phase in your life, you have told us there is a dead bird on your porch...and you want a meaning from all of this? Frankly I see the meaning right in front of my eyes.

Get a shovel and put the dead bird in the bin. Take responsibility and empower yourself to do the job. Your friend is scaring you with the Abraham book? Chuck the book away and quit contacting that person. It sounds like you feel they are invading your space anyways. Instead of reading Abraham Hicks (who's market is vulnerable people) read books on Co-dependency and how to set boundaries.

There is such thing in psychology known as analysis paralysis, and before you dismiss me here and say "Ive heard of that before" allow me to really tell you what many people clearly, clearly, are missing out of their understanding of that phrase: Analysis paralysis is a conscious choice....designed to procrastinate doing something. It is a devilish unconscious trick that keeps you searching for more information, in hopes you will discover some new Perfect information that requires you to do something easier.

Asking the meaning behind a dead bird on your porch? Sounds mystical and toy-like, but I stand my ground and say you need to empower yourself in your life to pick up the shovel with your own two hands, and get rid of it. Same applies to the many other aspects in your life.

Straight up truth here, when I see people make the decision to empower themselves and take responsibility, EVERYTHING changes.


answered 01 Feb '16, 07:58

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"Asking the meaning behind a dead bird on your porch? " is that what you "got" from reading his question ? He said he found the site by searching for an answer. I'm guessing he came up with this answer ~


(01 Feb '16, 08:09) ele

I find your comment unwelcome and personal.

(01 Feb '16, 08:55) Nikulas

"unwelcome" ~ ok, I won't post under this answer again.

"Personal" ? hmm ....

Have a great day Nikulas !

(01 Feb '16, 09:14) ele

@Nikulas Your response is exactly what I needed to hear and a constant theme in my life right now. It's time to do the work I need to do and take responsibility for the situation I'm in. I'm surrounded by a great support group who are encouraging and supporting me to do the same. I'd love a fun magical spiritual sign to lift me out of my predicament but the sign is obvious. Bury the bird with my own 2 hands. Do the work. Do it every day.

(01 Feb '16, 15:56) Bhemond

See where I want to go, believe it, feel it, accept it, and work at it. Be excellent in all that I do. I've never heard of Analysis Paralysis but I look forward to learning about it and how it can help me. I'm sure tonight I'll run into a friend who just finished a book he's willing to let me borrow. @ele Thank you for your responses. Researching Carl Jung and the Scarab beetle was fun. I appreciate both of your responses and gained a lot from each of you.

(01 Feb '16, 15:57) Bhemond
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